This video shows an inexperienced girl riding and lounging a horse with a whip. This is a good example of a lack of communication between rider and horse. The horse is lounging in fear instead of enjoying itself and communicating with the trainer.
When I first got my horse Buck I lunged with a whip to start. I never touched him with it EVER. I used it as an extension of the arm. After he started recognizing my vice commands and listnening I did away with it. Occasionaly I will get it out to re enforce my voice if he is feeling fresh, but it still never touches him.
My other horse Chris was beat with a whip and totally does not understand the concept of lunging at all so I warm him up under saddle or pony him alongside Buck....
When I first got my horse Buck I lunged with a whip to start. I never touched him with it EVER. I used it as an extension of the arm. After he started recognizing my vice commands and listnening I did away with it. Occasionaly I will get it out to re enforce my voice if he is feeling fresh, but it still never touches him.
My other horse Chris was beat with a whip and totally does not understand the concept of lunging at all so I warm him up under saddle or pony him alongside Buck....
Interesting video. But I'd also like to comment on the rider that was not using a whip, this is one example out of many. You don't know what that rider might have done to get to where she's not using a whip whether she never, ever trained with one, or she used a whip or stick to start the horse out learning direction and then transitioned into using lesser and lesser cues to establish body language with the horse.
I prefer the body language option, but I'm not above beating my horses butt when he doesn't listen to me, either. Call me a terrible person or trainer, but I love natural horsemanship and natural training methods. And a natural thing horses learn in a herd environment is leadership and direction, usually instilled through pain and intimidation of bigger horses, because if horses have anything, it's their massive body weight to push other horses around with. Since humans don't have that advantage, we rely on manufactured tools to gain the horses compliance.
Interesting video. But I'd also like to comment on the rider that was not using a whip, this is one example out of many. You don't know what that rider might have done to get to where she's not using a whip whether she never, ever trained with one, or she used a whip or stick to start the horse out learning direction and then transitioned into using lesser and lesser cues to establish body language with the horse.
I prefer the body language option, but I'm not above beating my horses butt when he doesn't listen to me, either. Call me a terrible person or trainer, but I love natural horsemanship and natural training methods. And a natural thing horses learn in a herd environment is leadership and direction, usually instilled through pain and intimidation of bigger horses, because if horses have anything, it's their massive body weight to push other horses around with. Since humans don't have that advantage, we rely on manufactured tools to gain the horses compliance.
With that said, the rider on the little horse was wrong in so many ways. She was hitting the horse for no reason and riding in a bareback pad, which both is very dangerous (slipping, support) and uncomfortable. Like the narrator said, if you know your horse bucks, you better be able to ride through it and have the appropriate gear to handle it. The fact that they stopped and lunged the horse was baffling.
But I support the whip just as much as I do a stick, a box of treats, a lead rope, and a pat on the nose. In the end, the conclusion I draw is that there's a lot of ways to cook a chicken. You may not like all of them, but that doesn't mean they don't all work.
So much happening all within such a short space of time.
It was good to see 3 clearly very different styles of lunging and how the different body language of the people can have such a varied result on how the horses work.
So much happening all within such a short space of time.
It was good to see 3 clearly very different styles of lunging and how the different body language of the people can have such a varied result on how the horses work.
I don't know what happens after they complain about the guy using the whip, as my computer decided it was not my destiny to watch the rest of the video and stops at 4:07, but I would like to point out that anything can be bad when used incorrectly. You can get the softest bit available, and if you're wailing on the horse's mouth, you're still going to hurt it. Get the nastiest bit you can find: if you handle it correctly, the horse will be fine.
My horse needs to have a crop when being ridden and a whip when being lounged, or he will not listen. Call it abuse, but you get thousand pound animals in the pastures slamming each other right in the face: there's no way you can get anywhere near that power with a crop. Of course, I don't hit the horse with the whip. The whip is a different story, as it is thinner and can cut the horse. The whip's main use is to remind the horse that it needs to do something, and if it won't listen, you pop it, and the sound encourages them to go. The girl's
I don't know what happens after they complain about the guy using the whip, as my computer decided it was not my destiny to watch the rest of the video and stops at 4:07, but I would like to point out that anything can be bad when used incorrectly. You can get the softest bit available, and if you're wailing on the horse's mouth, you're still going to hurt it. Get the nastiest bit you can find: if you handle it correctly, the horse will be fine.
My horse needs to have a crop when being ridden and a whip when being lounged, or he will not listen. Call it abuse, but you get thousand pound animals in the pastures slamming each other right in the face: there's no way you can get anywhere near that power with a crop. Of course, I don't hit the horse with the whip. The whip is a different story, as it is thinner and can cut the horse. The whip's main use is to remind the horse that it needs to do something, and if it won't listen, you pop it, and the sound encourages them to go. The girl's way of handling her horse was wrong, and I doubt either she or the horse were enjoying themselves.
When I do longe, I use a whip, but I hold the lash in my hand and point the end of the whip backward - so it's like I'm holding a dressage whip. With some horses, I do occasionally need a crack of the whip, but I never actually thouch him with it.
When I do longe, I use a whip, but I hold the lash in my hand and point the end of the whip backward - so it's like I'm holding a dressage whip. With some horses, I do occasionally need a crack of the whip, but I never actually thouch him with it.
well my stables use whips when lunging and they have loads of experience! the horses pay no attention to the whip at all, just because someone uses a whip it doesn't mean they are inexperienced or don't communicate with the horse. some horses may be frigthend but none of the horses i know even blink at the whip! i agree that not all horses need the whip but it doesn't mean the trainer is inexperienced or that they lack comunication
well my stables use whips when lunging and they have loads of experience! the horses pay no attention to the whip at all, just because someone uses a whip it doesn't mean they are inexperienced or don't communicate with the horse. some horses may be frigthend but none of the horses i know even blink at the whip! i agree that not all horses need the whip but it doesn't mean the trainer is inexperienced or that they lack comunication
I'd say the man is a little too completly against a whip. That girl was a good example to his opinion. I used a lunge whip when need, and my horse was not scared, because I di not 'beat' her, I used it properly. However there usually are at least 2 sides to every opinion :}
I'd say the man is a little too completly against a whip. That girl was a good example to his opinion. I used a lunge whip when need, and my horse was not scared, because I di not 'beat' her, I used it properly. However there usually are at least 2 sides to every opinion :}
This video is a prime example of someone who is incapable of thinking outside of the box. They believe what they believe and everyone else's training techniques should conform to his beliefs or they are wrong. The man who lost his horse was doing a "great job" until the commentator realized he had a whip, then every step out of place that horse was because of that whip.
When we lunge horses, we lunge them if we feel they have excess energy that would be better spent bucking and acting like a fool on the lunge line than with a rider in the saddle. Our horses know that lunging is "playtime" within reason and then it's time to work once they've gotten the goofball out.
Training horses is not one black and white guideline that works for every horse and it shouldn't be treated as such. This guy was so focused on the fact that someone had the audacity to use a whip and "beat their horse" that he made no attempt to see WHY they had a whip to begin with and furthermore he doesn't have a
This video is a prime example of someone who is incapable of thinking outside of the box. They believe what they believe and everyone else's training techniques should conform to his beliefs or they are wrong. The man who lost his horse was doing a "great job" until the commentator realized he had a whip, then every step out of place that horse was because of that whip.
When we lunge horses, we lunge them if we feel they have excess energy that would be better spent bucking and acting like a fool on the lunge line than with a rider in the saddle. Our horses know that lunging is "playtime" within reason and then it's time to work once they've gotten the goofball out.
Training horses is not one black and white guideline that works for every horse and it shouldn't be treated as such. This guy was so focused on the fact that someone had the audacity to use a whip and "beat their horse" that he made no attempt to see WHY they had a whip to begin with and furthermore he doesn't have a single clue why the girl quit riding and began lunging. I know plenty of times that I have jumped on a horse and felt that he was going to goof around so I got off and lunged him, then got back on and he went off without a problem.
the whip is not there to hit the horse when you are lunging . the whip is there to encourage forward motion and also to keep the horse out on a circle away from the person who is lunging. when i lunge my horse i always carry the lunge whip but never touch the horse with it. in fact most of the time the whip should be resting on the floor and only used when needed.my horse lunges by voice command but i use the whip to encourage forward transitions just by using the cracking noise it makes.also lunging is a great way of schooling a horse because you can see for yourself how the horse is carrying itself which is impossible to do when you are riding.
the whip is not there to hit the horse when you are lunging . the whip is there to encourage forward motion and also to keep the horse out on a circle away from the person who is lunging. when i lunge my horse i always carry the lunge whip but never touch the horse with it. in fact most of the time the whip should be resting on the floor and only used when needed.my horse lunges by voice command but i use the whip to encourage forward transitions just by using the cracking noise it makes.also lunging is a great way of schooling a horse because you can see for yourself how the horse is carrying itself which is impossible to do when you are riding.
I was taught to lounge with a whip, but it was never used on the horse, the tip was always behind the horse, as was mentioned to encourage forward movement, training a horse I found is a lot like training a dog, if you use intimidation to get the behaviour you desire all youi get is an animal that is scared of you, not one who is willing to please you by trying it's best to achieve the behaviour you are trying to teach.
I was taught to lounge with a whip, but it was never used on the horse, the tip was always behind the horse, as was mentioned to encourage forward movement, training a horse I found is a lot like training a dog, if you use intimidation to get the behaviour you desire all youi get is an animal that is scared of you, not one who is willing to please you by trying it's best to achieve the behaviour you are trying to teach.
Even if I wanted to use a lunge whip while I lunge my mare, I couldn't. She seems to have some fear of them that must have manifested itself before she was in my hands. If I'm lunging her and even act like I'm going to pick up the whip (even if there isn't one there) she will take off like a rocket. The only way I can get her to come back down is to haul her in close to me until she physically can't run in a circle around me anymore. Her only choice is to slow down or stop. I can start off with the whip in my hand, but she won't relax on the line until I put the whip down. So I just usually lunge her without one and she does just fine.
Even if I wanted to use a lunge whip while I lunge my mare, I couldn't. She seems to have some fear of them that must have manifested itself before she was in my hands. If I'm lunging her and even act like I'm going to pick up the whip (even if there isn't one there) she will take off like a rocket. The only way I can get her to come back down is to haul her in close to me until she physically can't run in a circle around me anymore. Her only choice is to slow down or stop. I can start off with the whip in my hand, but she won't relax on the line until I put the whip down. So I just usually lunge her without one and she does just fine.
1. She is too big for the horse 2.Why would you do that to the horse? That horse won't listen to you because he is frightened. WHY WOULD YOU WHIP THE HORSE WHEN HE IS BEING LUNGED? That is not good horsemanship.
1. She is too big for the horse 2.Why would you do that to the horse? That horse won't listen to you because he is frightened. WHY WOULD YOU WHIP THE HORSE WHEN HE IS BEING LUNGED? That is not good horsemanship.
I think a whip is really important in lounging! If used correctly, it is an arm extention that can keep you a safe distance from your horse and you can communicate with your horse with it. If it is not used correctly or the person does not know what they are doing, as in this video, then it can be disasterous. I personally always use one when lounging because I use it to communicate with my horse.
I think a whip is really important in lounging! If used correctly, it is an arm extention that can keep you a safe distance from your horse and you can communicate with your horse with it. If it is not used correctly or the person does not know what they are doing, as in this video, then it can be disasterous. I personally always use one when lounging because I use it to communicate with my horse.
For me it depends on the horse, like my horse, I have to use a whip to keep him moving or he will come to me. I'm not afraid to hit them with a whip if they arn't compling. Call me mean if you want, they're horses and your the leader, they have to know that or you won't get anywhere but hurt. Some horse you cannot lunge, like a few I've tried to. I know a pony that you can hit him on the side as much as you want, the only thing you'll get is him rearing up (he's a shetland) and charging you.
It all depends on the horse.
For me it depends on the horse, like my horse, I have to use a whip to keep him moving or he will come to me. I'm not afraid to hit them with a whip if they arn't compling. Call me mean if you want, they're horses and your the leader, they have to know that or you won't get anywhere but hurt. Some horse you cannot lunge, like a few I've tried to. I know a pony that you can hit him on the side as much as you want, the only thing you'll get is him rearing up (he's a shetland) and charging you.
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